The leader of the party founded to oppose socialism has confessed to being a socialist himself. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5509870/Wikileaks-Key-said-Kiwis-have-socialist-streak
John Key told an American diplomat in 2007 that National could not adopt conservative policies because “a socialist streak runs through all New Zealanders”.
And yet he campaigned on them anyway.
Asked if he had a socialist streak he said “absolutely” and confirmed, “I’m a product of the welfare state.”
Key equates socialism with caring and “having a heart”.
And thinks highly of Michael ‘Decade of Deficits’ Cullen. (Not to mention Rob ‘Think Big’ Muldoon.)
And this in the week when food prices hit record highs thanks to Key’s heart-felt, caring Emissions Trading Scheme.
So now it’s official. The New Zealand National Party is, in fact, the National Socialist Party.
I hope that clears things up for any National supporters who still pretend their party is centre-right.
First of all I would call it the National Maori Socialist Party in view of what he is doing for ‘Maori’ at the expense of the rest of us. The man’s a nutter – obviously. He really is lightweight and I can’t for the life of me think why he rides so high in the polls. It can only be that there is absolutely no alternative in the eyes of those who choose him. He tries to appeal to everyone and my wish is that the people quickly wake up and he appeals to no-one – before he does any more damage to our country – in more ways than one..
Helen said: my wish is that the people quickly wake up and he appeals to no-one ,/quote>
If only. Nzzzzzzzzzzzzzrs are asleep at the couch
JA: Especially the school leavers, who Key would prefer to be unemployed on $4.50 an hour than working for $11.50.
He rides high in the polls because he has it right. There is a streak of socialism in most New Zealanders BECAUSE they don’t understand what unbridled socialism wreaks or that there is generally only one direction socialism travels in. More. Until it creates a catastrophe.
JA: You’re right Lindsay. Key is the most successful politician in certainly the English-speaking world – possibly ever.
(Well, can you think of a prime minister in an MMP-type system who is rating 50%+ after three years following a global meltdown and two catastrophic earthquakes? In New Zealand, only the 1951 election could produce a majority government, and that was an FPP election being used as a referendum on a strike.)
Perhaps our apparent love of socialism has more to do with 20% of our people living overseas. Human Synergistics director Michael Gourley told me the other day that 30% of people are capable of cause and effect thinking.
What’s the betting a big percentage of the former come from the latter?
I don’t know that things will change unless we restock our gene pool with a couple of million high quality immigrants.
What do you think?
REAL socialism – yes. But perhaps the benefit of the doubt can be extended? I.e. the old aphorism: “hand up, not hand out.” Kiwis have mostly been good at pitching in when help/aid is needed.
JA: The irony is that our welfare state founders like Savage would have been horrified by the present state of their creation. Savage envisaged welfare being a hand-up only. His position was closer to today’s ACT’s than Labour’s or National’s.
Socialism is “caring and having a heart” is it, Mr Key? Is it caring to threaten your people with violence (i.e. arrest and imprisonment, and worse if you try to resist) if they don’t hand over a significant proportion of their hard-earned income to be dished out as bureaucrats see fit? Socialism is not charity or altruism, it is extortion and a protection racket with the state employing the gangsters.
It’s actually quite serious.Key and his followers have continued on from Klark, ruining the country little by little.
Kiwis have become pathetic remnants of the pioneering trailblazers that built the country into what it was until about the 70′s.
Key had the chance to become a great leader.he has blown it and big time.
Now I just smile and wave.
JA: You’re right john. We’re not Kiwis, we’re Frogs – in a pot.
I’m really not liking the ever increasing grip of dependency that has a hold of our country, and I’m not only referring to Unemployment benefits.
That once ever present sense of self sufficiency within people is seriously lacking now and it is all resulting from regulations and laws that we demand and they obligingly impose.
Departments like OSH, ACC, Environmental departments, local governments, Social Welfare, United Nations – they are all meddling around and generating that much regulation, and in effect, micro-managing our lives, that we are becoming a nation of smiling depressives.
People start displaying agitation and lack of tolerance with each other at work, home and streets, and turn to alcohol and drugs as a mode of escape. This in turn generates more social problems like raging teenagers, child abuse and drunken violence. This stirs up communities and we start demanding from the government that something gets done about it – and more laws and suppressive regulations and taxes get imposed upon the whole country.
the idea of opening the borders to a couple of million immigrants is an interesting one, and NZ certainly has the capacity to accommodate them. The issue is where would you allow the immigrants from? We certainly don’t want the baggage 2M Muslims would bring… with 30% of the population they would have critical mass to start demanding Sharia Law, and given their birth rates, would within a generation have 50% of the population able to vote themselves into power and forcibly implement Sharia law. Then I wonder how that religion of peace would be treating all the Rainbow and Feminist factions throughout NZ.
Would Hindu and Buddhist seek to change the social structure of NZ?
Should the criteria just become I have a $500k entry fee, $1m for a house, and heres my prepayment for the next 10 years health insurance for my family, and non-eligibility for social welfare for 10 years?
We don’t want any immigrants that ‘don’t fit’ into our way, like Muslims. They only want to change things to suit them, to our cost in many ways. We lived in the UK for some time in the 1990′s where they let people from all cultures in willy nilly. We long ago foresaw what is now happening. It’s too late for them now but we should at least look and learn.
However I don’t believe we need to change the gene pool as such. The biggest problem is that, because of our policies, our best and brightest are now overseas making other countries greater by their presence there. We need to have a country they want to stay in and help grow, or at least return to after they have had their big OE.
JA: Just to reassure you and mort, Helen, I said intelligent immigrants. People who believe, or embrace a religion that believes in overthrowing Western civilisation would not be welcome.
I’d be looking for evidence of independent thought, initiative, and good ethics. Among others, I’d welcome well-educated Asians who can help us establish a better work ethic.
Oh, and just to add, to my above comment –
another effect of these regulations/laws/policies etc, especially with issues like the Treaty and climate change is the ever increasing division that is occurring among us.
Mort, you have raised some good questions, It will be an interesting one to watch.
This country calendar episode give’s an idea of how things are going.
Here’s a great, down to earth couple, farming at the Golden Bay in a ‘eco – sensitive’ area. They are self confessed conservationist and are working in with D.O.C. to keep up environmental standards. However because of where they are located several layers of beurocracy dictates their farm practise’s. They are compliant with expectations and have managed to find ways of altering their practises to satisfy environmental issues and in turn reduce their risk of liability. They have debt and expenditures that they struggle with yet are unable to diversify to improve this situation due to the beurocratic rubbish they have to work in with.
http://tvnz.co.nz/country-calendar/s2011-e24-video-4352244
Incase, this link does not work, go to tvnz.co.nz – country calendar. The episode was called ‘Coastal Paradise – Episode 24.
JA: It’s the opportunity cost of all the red tape that’s so damaging to NZ.
We have friends who built a house in the Marlborough Sounds and wanted to install a sewerage system that was far more advanced than the council required.
But because it wasn’t ‘in the book’ the council refused permission.
Oh and before they could build at all, they had to get the permission of five iwi. Four agreed, but one flatly refused. In this case, the council saved the day because the iwi could provide no reason.
So our friends were able to build, but with all the fluffing around it took them two or three years longer.
Perhaps we could do a deal with God to get extra time added to our lives for bureaucratic delays?
Well, so so many issues being raised here! You’re quite the salonnière John.
Setting aside your snide and trite comparison of the National government to Nazis, and your implication that it’s still too left wing for you, it’s your culture changing immigration policy I find fascinating. You want a million or two conservative migrants prescreened for virtues such as “good ethics” and “independent thought”. Who’s going to judge these attributes? What criteria will be applied? You can’t use education, as university degrees are simply evidence of PC indoctrination. You could apply some sort of test to evaluate people’s views on science and orthodox and accepted versions of history and anyone indicating non-approved positions, like thinking the moon landing was real, could be declined. Gonna be tricky getting your two million though…
Here’s another one for you: A friend of ours is a qualified builder and has been for 20 plus years, however he is not allowed to do any building because he is not a ‘certified qualified builder’.
Well maybe he shoud get certified. I am 4th Generation kiwi and We do need regulation and we need more of it to bring order. To those who disagree look at recent events that took place in London. I think they got off too lightly!!!
Without the red tape we would be in chaos..and without regulation situations like the US economic meltdown occur! The chinese have a winning formula maintain strict law and order, yet allow freedom of economic growth through minimal regulation.
We need a socialist state to care for those who cant do it themselves. And in downtimes those who cant find work. I also believe that the state should own all critical assets and essential services such as power,water and telecommunications.
On immigration Asians are hard working people who benefit our country and dont complain.. unlike other immigrants ie..Europe or india.
Finally, totally against foreign ownership i would prefer either local iwi ownership or a state owned resource.
Future this is..
GG….piss off to North Korea with your attitude. Kiwi soldiers didn’t fight and die fighting your fascist brethren overseas to have a tyranny established here…
Yeah! Get back to Russia you commie nazi! Honestly John, the quality of the discussion around here reflects so well on you.
Says the resident lefty idiot…
looked up the 2010 report from that superfluous organisation the ministry of economic development, and their stats are as follows
The main contributing countries to the net migration gain in 2009 were the United Kingdom (9,100),
India (6,000), China (3,800), the Philippines (2,300), and Fiji (2,200). The United Kingdom has been
New Zealand’s leading net source of migrants since 2004.
Over the decade to 2009, New Zealand had a net gain of 138,800 migrants. Adults aged 25–49 years
contributed more than half of this gain (54 percent), with young people aged 15–19 years (25 percent)
and children aged under 15 years (19 percent) accounting for most of the remainder. Among adult
migrants aged 25–49 years, the sex ratio was about equal for those arriving in New Zealand over the
decade, but among those leaving the country, males slightly outnumbered females.
For long-term migrants who are New Zealand citizens, there was a net outflow of 15,500 in 2009,
less than half the net outflow of the previous year (37,000). Long-term departures for this group
fell from 60,600 in 2008 to 41,600 in 2009. In comparison, arrivals numbered 26,100 in 2009,
higher than the 23,600 recorded in 2008 and the average of 23,500 for the period 1979–2009.
so perhaps the formula is already there for your immigrant base.